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Q&A: Heidi Fleiss on Gov. Eliot Spitzer, 'a creepy trick'

12:33 PM PT, Mar 13 2008
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Before I even asked the question, former "Hollywood Madam" and current Pahrump, Nev., resident Heidi Fleiss had a good guess as to why I was trying to reach her.

"Are you calling to talk about the creepy governor?" she asked. "He won't have any problems. It is always on the woman. They are going to do character assassination on her. But it doesn't change what happened."
Richard Abowitz: So, what is your advice for any woman caught up in a public scandal and accused of being a prostitute?
Heidi Fleiss: Be yourself and tell the truth. What else could happen?
Q: Do you think it would have been a different story if Gov. Spitzer had gone to a legal brothel in Nevada?
HF: Absolutely. He would have gotten better service and his privacy would have been respected. But he sounds like such a creepy trick. I know from being in the business, his profile as a "John," and he is the type that I would pass on. I think it is awesome if the governor is seeing hookers. But he was defrauding the public.
Q: Did you handle politicians when you were in business?
HF: Yes, but most politicians weren't rich enough. To do business with me you had to be very wealthy. I would never deal with a customer who haggled. There are several men that are much more high-profile than this guy and who are much richer and much more public and they deal with prostitutes all the time. And they will never be caught because they do it right. You solve this problem by decriminalizing it. The system is set up so what the girls are doing is always illegal and they have no recourse.
Q: On that topic, how goes the stud farm plan?
HF: I have coin-operated laundry, Dirty Laundry. And it is my favorite business I have ever had, because washing machines don't talk back.
Q: So, the stud farm, is it on the back burner?
HF: I'll get to the stud farm, but there is a lot of red tape to get through. But I love Dirty Laundry. I wish I had started Dirty Laundry a long time ago. It is recession-proof, because everybody has dirty laundry.
Q: How are you doing with your latest legal issues which I seem to recall involve Vicodin and a car trip?
HF: You know what? It is like I am having a really bad day and everyone finds out about it. I called my attorney and said, "I don't care if it is probation or a fine or county jail. But I want to get it over with." It doesn't matter what the punishment is as I have had it much worse than that. [Fleiss served 21 months in prison for tax evasion in the late '90s.] I was not happy that day at all.

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Mr. Abowitz, of all the people to talk to about the subject, why Heidi Fleiss?! She made millions exploiting women herself! Is the LA Times that desperate for a story that they would resort to such a low in journalistic professionalism? Why not talk to a prosecutor or a criminal defense attorney? I don't want to hear what a convicted felon has to say.

Up your standards or up yours!

pathetic, disgusting, and very, very ugly woman, inside and out!

The interview should be about how someone can ruin thier lives by taking drugs and booze from an early age.

Wow. The Times goes right to the gutter. What are you thinking with this ridiculous piece? Don't fool yourself in thinking you succeeded in getting my attention. I clicked to confirm my suspicions about the Times. They have been confirmed and I am glad I don't subscribe.

Finally, a newspaper talking to someone who knows something about prostitution instead of some sort of self appointed moral beacon just repeating what we all think we know to be true-prostitution is bad. Never mind that no evidence or experience is offered to support this. Or maybe they offer up a survey which has found a prostitute or 2 or 3 who is not happy with their job, is only doing it for the money and has a substance abuse problem. Does this mean that if I can find 2 or 3 Fast Food employees with the same attitudes and problems we can out law this work? The fact remains that making prostitution illegal is what produces all the abuses often cited as evidence for why prostitution is bad and should be illegal. If you make it legal, and provide sex workers (who are not all women) with rights to sue employers for illegal employment practices, the right to call the police on an abusive client, health care, retirement benefits and a safe working environment, you are left with workers who have similar rates of good heath and job satisfaction as other workers. So most newspapers will continue to talk with people who aren't interested in solving the problems associated with prostitution or sex workers. They'll be giving voice to people who insist that prostitution remain a problem. Heidi's right. If he had gone to a legal brothel, he'd still have his job. The financial transaction would have been legal and taxed. The sex worker would have been less likely to offer unprotected sex and in any case would have been working in a safe work environment with all the protections that all other workers enjoy. Plus you can be sure that the only people who are exposed to that environment are people who want to be. Children won't be pointing to prostitution scandal stories in newspapers or asking why that lady is standing on the street corner in the rain whistling at the cars.

Folks should be grateful that a town like Pahrump Nevada will host a legal personal services business. The fact that some people may find prostitution disgusting, to some extent including myself, does not mean that others do not have a right to run or patronize such a business. It is the 'illegal' prostitution that poses the greatest threat in terms of health and criminal activity. Legal brothels provide a public service and set an example of how to manage the world's oldest profession out of the shadows, where it will continue to exist when no alternative is provided.

Hmmm, I wonder what's next for the LA Times? I guess in a way this is moderately more interesting than the NY Times quoting the girl's MySpace page. But in any case, wouldn't it have been more interesting to call up a few wives of politicians-turned-adulterers to get their comments? I have a feeling this segment was created after a quick phone call from Heidi's publicist to the Times.

So he's a "creepy trick"? I think it all sounds rather slimy and disgusting. This gal's parents must be so proud. I'm so glad she can distinguish the creeps from the true class that comes through her doors.

While I think this whole piece was unnecessary, I think all of the publicity and coverage about "why" on TV and in print is a waste.

Why? Because he apparently thought he was above the rest of us mere mortals. Because he had no problem or issues with humiliating his wife, children, and other family/friends who apparently believed in what he SAID he stood for. Because apparently he's a big believer in "do as I say....". Whatever the reason, he's gone, his family is disgraced, and let's move on to some real news.

Eliot Ness Mess: He is the croock, not the girl! He did the crime, now he must serve the time.
What crime? Should I count the ways????

Seriously folks? I find it hilarious that you all have attacked the LA Times staff writer on this story.
A) All of you clicked on the link to read the story. If you were that reviled by Heidi Fleiss you wouldn't have gone there.

B) All of the other news organizations will be interviewing a public official who will tell us nothing we don't already know.

C) Heidi Fleiss's alternative perspective was well thought out and interesting.

So please...just live and let live.

And in case you were wondering about my demographic:
I am a white male between the ages of 30 and 40. I am married with two kids and a Volvo in the driveway. I am not well educated either. And I haven't cheated on my wife...yet.

Everyone loves a good sex scandal as it sells newspapers and stimulates American's libidio whether one agrees or represses it. Guess the good-looking NY Governor didn't know about AFF! Women/Men who solicit sex for free on the internet ! Is AFF legal? Look at the subscription numbers---millions of people. How careless can a governor be? Why didn't he get it for free...obviously, he wasn't getting any at home! He is a healthy mid-life man and he needed some hot sex to release his pent up energy after a long day testifying in a Wasington D.C. courtroom. What strong, healthy "All American Male " wouldn't need some sort of helthy recreation after a tedious day. Sort of recharges the battery in a good way. And people act surprised...now that's the hypocracy...sort of reminds me of a Hawthorne novel from the days of the Puritans.

Too bad that the nation and the state of New York lost such a talented, educated, intelligent and steadfast governor to a sex scandal! Sex is as natural a need to human beings as eating a pizza, sex is only better for you! Speaking from a Colorado cowgirl's perspective. Why does the press sound so puritanical about the whole thing? Really, after this saga who in their healthy mind would actually want to work in politics? The message is that one must be sexless to be a government employee.

In the Denver paper's last month there was a prostitution ring bust by the Feds, and they said that the "clients" (Johns) did NOT have to worry yet. The names of the judges and important business men would not be released. Now, that is just not fair! Why ruin the Governor of NY and let the VIP men in Denver go free? I think out with all the client's names: Let's just see every man who has been on the list. Spread the names on the cover of the LA Times!

Finally, I agree the Madam Heide, that this activity of prostitution under the guise of escort services should be legalized, reuglated, and TAXED.

I agree with the first poster (Heather Czerniak), that the LA Times should have interviewed a prosecutor. Like former prosecutor Eliot Spitzer, they'd have hands-on experience with prostitution.

This was a funny interview. I love how blunt she is.

Never mind if the Times should be interviewing a washed up ugly old seller of hookers. The interview was short. Not much content. Not much of anything. Is this a new reporter? Kinda seems like it. If I was a reporter and only got this much out of an interview I'd probably sell it to a smaller newspaper. Maybe a small town newspaper in some desolate location in Nevada. Maybe some kind of small town with 2 gas stations a liquor store and maybe a coin laundry.

Ashley--or whatever her name really is--has a lovely body, but a rather plain face. I'm thinking Gov. Spitzer wanted someone who reminded him of an old flame?

Richard, how do you not ask what "extras" for $200 probably were, or "things that were not safe", how much did Kristen likely pocket of the $4300, or fun stuff like to prostitutes get a per diem for over 4 hours travel time, what rate is travel time billed at, etc. The public NEEDS to know these things.

I'm sure that Mr. Spitzer is very sorry...sorry that he got caught, nothing more.

Is this "woman" a representative of the type of person that
Mr. Zell champions? Gross, and pathetic. Listen up-
readers do NOT want this garbage. Don't try and shove
it down our throats. It is an insult to our intelligence.
There are millions of audacious, brave intelligent, beautiful
women out there doing daring and exciting things. Make
an effort get out their and do your job-investigate and report.

I'm with Cowgirl and EJD .. live and let live. We spend so much time passing judgment on others and most don't really have a leg to stand on. Why is it that we are so preoccupied with what others are doing? The truth is that sex feels good and he probably isn't getting enough or the quality he would like at home. He and his wife probably have an arrangement that suits both of them. I would venture to guess that she is more concerned about her stature and image in the face of recent events and less concerned about where he rendevous. If we were not all so quick to scorn him for his actions, New York would still have a governor that did a lot of good for New York and elsewhere. As a small investor I am sad so see him go. The equilibrium of good and bad is tilted very much toward Spitzer's favor in my opinion. I, however, don't agree with the hypocrisy of rooting out prostitution and then engaging in it.

My sympathy is with Zilda Spitzer. When she was on the podium with her husband while he was doing his mea culpas, I got the feeling that her mind was a 1000 miles away from the news people...and him.

Zilda...fifty is not old. You can find a better mate. Dump the egomaniac, and rebuild your life, and when someone brings up his name, just say "Eliot who?"

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